The Designer Disagrees
Manolo says, one of the designers of the clothes has disagreed with the Manolo about the Manolo’s witty comments.
P.S. Please be nice to the Augusto he is having the bad day.
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August 4th, 2005 at 2:45 pm
I could not resist a bit of gentle reproof to the comment. Forgive me, darling Manolo
August 4th, 2005 at 2:55 pm
augusto should go straight to cortina. perhaps then, his bad day might become a “good” one. his odds would fare even better with a sense of humour and common sense.
August 4th, 2005 at 3:03 pm
succhi un uovo, augusto.
August 4th, 2005 at 3:16 pm
Let me be the first to say — I cannot WAIT to buy this “leather robe” for SKIING — as designer Augusto suggests.
Manolo, how could you not recognize the simple practicality of this outfit…you…you…facist army trooper!
August 4th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Elvira, she is happy with her criteria for the ugly and the impractical. She does not need to hop in the airplane for the re-education camp.
August 4th, 2005 at 3:36 pm
Did anyone see the Daily Show episode about how whenever we disagree with someone the first reaction seems to be to call the other person Hilter which really only serves to deminished the true horrors of the Holocaust?
Yeah… the “fascist” comment reminded me of that…
August 4th, 2005 at 4:39 pm
While the Deja recognizes that high fashion is a form of theater, there is the good theater and the bad theater. Such a costume would be laughed off the ski slopes before the user even had the opportunity to sustain injury from the garment becoming entangled in the ski poles.
August 4th, 2005 at 4:44 pm
The term FUGLY, it has stymied the Altavista Babelfish translator.
August 4th, 2005 at 5:01 pm
First sign of a narcissist: When criticized, instead of accepting and processing said criticism for validity, the narcissist will immediately become aggressive and belligerent.
August 4th, 2005 at 5:06 pm
You know that scene in “The Incredibles” where Edna tells the sad stories of all the superheroes done in by their capes being tangled up, sucked into airplane engines, etc, and that is why she now refuses to design superhero costumes with capes? That is what would happen if you went skiing in this outfit. By the looks of it, it’s already gotten tangled ih the chairlift machinery.
August 4th, 2005 at 6:38 pm
*pulls out her red correcting pen from her teaching days and has a FIELD DAY with this one*
Ya know, its sad that there are so many things wrong with poor Augusto’s post, I don’t have the patients to sort through the grammar flubs to get to his point.
Pish…
You go, Manolo. You make me laugh. Daily.
August 4th, 2005 at 7:11 pm
JayKay said:
“Ya know, its [sic] sad that there are so many things wrong with poor Augusto’s post, I don’t have the patients [sic] to sort through the grammar flubs to get to his point.”
It is always the case that if one points out another person’s grammatical errors online, one is bound to make an embarrassing typo in the process of doing so.
(Not that I’ve ever done that, oh nooooo…..)
;-)
August 4th, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Since Augusto mentioned “fascist, army troopers common way to talk,” may I point out that most of the ‘fascist, army troopers’ that I am familiar with have much better writing skills that this Augusto; better sartorial taste also.
August 4th, 2005 at 9:49 pm
maybe he’s disgruntled because he actually bought that “robe” after seeing it go flapping down the runway and just cannot fathom why no one else seems to like it.
p.s/ shouldn’t it be ‘grammatical flubs’ instead of ‘grammar flubs’?
August 4th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
Ahahahahaaaaa — that Italian guy’s comments are hilarious. Isn’t “stretch couture” an oxymoron?
August 4th, 2005 at 10:21 pm
That said, isn’t there a place for conceptual fashion? I mean, I see this guy’s stuff and I think back to Marinetti and the Italian futurists or Dada and, well, I dunno, I wouldn’t wear it, but I’m glad someone out there is producing conceptual art.
August 5th, 2005 at 8:36 am
La BellaDonna, she thinks it is only the facetious army trooper with the time and the inclination to discuss the fashion! She is trying to envision the German army of the WW II chatting about Mugler, Gaultier and McQueen, and not having the success with it.
La BellaDonna is in favor of “eperimentation” and other exotic new experiences, but she owns the couple of outfits by the Mugler, and in them she looks like the curvy woman she is, and not the award statuette. She is able to wear her Mugler outfits to work at the offices of the law; she could wear the lycra outfit only if she were leaping about in the employ of the Philadelphia Ballet.
She also suggests that the Augusto, he may want to do the research on the activity of the skiing. Research would reveal that the skiing, it involves the cold weather and the snow, and the survival, it would suggest the outfit of more insulating properties than the “lycra” and the “leather robe,” which are the suitable for skiing only at WorldCon.
Dafina Girl, there is indeed the place for the conceptual fashion! The WorldCon and the CostumeCon can produce many of the examples of the same.
(La BellaDonna fears that if she said, “Yes, but this, it is the misconception!” her comment, it might be interpreted as the snarky.)
August 5th, 2005 at 9:02 am
Let’s put “Fascist Army Trooper!” on a t-shirt.
Not the wisdom of Manolo, but amusing nonetheless!
August 5th, 2005 at 9:19 am
Manolo is right on.
What is the point of designing clothes? Art or wearability?
ask yourself ..can someone wear it in public and not look like a lion tamer?
I remember when I was in about the 4th grade , my mom wore a long green silk coat from Hong Kong to a PTA function. The kids thought she was in a Holloween costume. You do not want to be this person.
August 5th, 2005 at 9:56 am
A leather robe for skiing??? Like, real skiing or performance art skiing?
August 5th, 2005 at 10:17 am
Somebody should tell Augusto that a crazy person is making posts in his name.
August 5th, 2005 at 10:56 am
It seems that Augusto has forgotten that a blog is a place in which to voice and exchange opinions. Those of us that frequent Manolo’s site enjoy reading his views but most of us also read the comments. This is a site that has brought me smiles and laughter … and sometimes it has succeeded to do so on some very difficult days.
That being said, The Scarlett believes that costumes that make models look ridiculous are ill-suited to flatter a potential customer. The Scarlett suspects that under the lycra and leather, not to mention the frightening makeup, that the model is probably attractive. This is completely masked and not in a provocative way that speaks of anything clever. This is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
Now, Augusto, having said that The Scarlett would be curious to know if anyone ever buys that outfit. The success of an outfit is determined ultimately by the consumer.
Finally, The Scarlett acknowledges that Augusto has some lovely frocks on his site and some that are less so.
August 5th, 2005 at 10:59 am
Much thanks to everyone who poked fun at *my* grammar…(or at least I’d like to think it was poking fun)
Is anyone familiar with the terms “facetious”, or perhaps “smart-ass” or finally, “intentional”?
A sense of humor, people…c’mon. All in fun, all in fun.
August 5th, 2005 at 12:54 pm
Hrrm, who would have suspected La Belladonna of having the sensitive faannish face? And how true the comments about fashion where the fans confer.
August 5th, 2005 at 1:26 pm
This is very difficult for fashion designers, but must be learned…
Please take this criticism lightly, as it is fashion design, not world politics or something where people get hurt. The worst we do is make ourselves look a little silly.
In fact Augusto, I think I can speak for others that you should enjoy making people looking silly and get people talking about clothes, otherwise why would you make a stretchy gold bodysuit with all sorts of wacky stuff on it? So people would say “how chic?”
You know you’ve made it to that higher ground when you make people look silly just to amuse yourself at the expense of your employers and the general public.
For instance, the Lagerfield, I do not think he gives a ****
August 5th, 2005 at 2:03 pm
“Manolo is right on.
What is the point of designing clothes? Art or wearability?”
That seems unfair. That’s like assuming that the point of painting is wall decoration. Not all fashion design is for the casual wearer.
August 5th, 2005 at 2:04 pm
Also, this:
“Is anyone familiar with the terms “facetious”, or perhaps “smart-ass” or finally, “intentional”?
A sense of humor, people…c’mon. All in fun, all in fun.”
No. Are you?
August 5th, 2005 at 2:08 pm
Hola to the Kai Jones! La Belladonna, she is the jewel of the many unsuspected facets, and cut her eyeteeth (not to mention the many many stabbings of her fingertips) when she was just the little cabochon on the making of the garments of the intergalacticness and the comics and the historicness, and has been privileged to see the astounding creativity of the many many many “ordinary” peoples, who make the beautiful, imaginative, well-made garments for the sheer love of it, and could give the many soi devant designers the run for their moneys.
(Of the course, what the fans themselves often choose to wear other than their creations for the Important Events, errrmmm, their choices do not the often reflect their creativity. Or at the least, not in the good way.)
August 5th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
Hola to the Lady Mule Skinner. La BellaDonna, she agrees with you that not all fashion design is for the casual wearer; however, the clothing, unlike the “fine art” (the painting on the linen which is destined for the wall and not the body) is intended to clothe the wearer. La BellaDonna does not dispute that the outfit is not meant for the everyone; however, the Augusto averred that it was intended for the skiing, an activity for which it is, as displayed, utterly unsuited. Had the Augusto said, “You fools! It is for the skiing, and has the hidden battery packs and the insulation and the electric wires for warmth!” La BellaDonna would have accepted that, and perhaps even believed it (she has seen the stranger than that in her time). If the Augusto had said, “You fools! It is for the skiing down the mountains of the fluffy pillows in the bedroom with your partner(s) of choice!” or that it was for the strutting around apres le ski, that would have been the OK, too. But for the skiing down the actual mountain with actual snow in the actual cold - no. In that sense, it is the failure, rather than the daring experiment.
August 5th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
I would pay money to see some poor schmuck ski in that “outfit”.
August 5th, 2005 at 4:01 pm
In all fairness to the Augusto, perhaps the people of his planet do “ski” in the garment such as this. The Diva Leigh keeps an open mind.
In response to the Moira, the Diva Leigh would gladly sign up as a member of the said fascist army troop, but only if the Manolo agrees to select the appropriate shoes for the occasion.
August 5th, 2005 at 4:15 pm
I’m highly amused at Babel Fish’s translation of Augusto’s first post:
“They said the same things for Mugler, Gaultier, McQueen…..” the realta it is that the high fashion is experimentation and that sure comments speak from if! they are struck from fascist barracks, little worthy to be diffuse on Internet on a situated one that draft of moda.Fate cabaret that perhaps ago more to the case yours!
August 5th, 2005 at 4:56 pm
Marie Therese — here is an explanation of “fugly.”
August 5th, 2005 at 9:42 pm
In light of the Augusto’s explanation that the outfit is actually “skiwear” the Fred he is recalling a related skiwear fashion from oh so many moons ago. The “Wet Look”.
Some Very Clever designers discovered that synthetic fabrics could be coated to have a slick shiny appearance. Since this was the “New” thing it was of course the heighth of ski-fashion. Mostly for the jackets, this being before the era of the head-to-toe ski suits. Even the Fred, normally sane and cautious with the dollars, he bought one.
I wore it less than one season. You see, these things, they are not merely fugly, they are also lethal, at least if used as advertised. That is, for the actual skiing on the actual snow. One high-speed fall on the KT-22, a slope of some notable slope-ness, and I (nearly) discovered this in the flesh of my own person. There was much slipping and sliding and uncontrolled extreme accelerating falling (thanks to the slick jacket) leading to the severe contusions and abrasions.
Turns out that I was not the only one who noticed this *tiny* *problem*, and the style also fell rapidly from grace. Fortunately for the Fred, his jacket was destroyed by the fall and so he did not have to justify to his wallet the future not-wearing.
In the litigious environment of modern California, I predict the sudden economic demise of any company so unwise as to actually market such a thing for the actual skiing.
August 5th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
Somewhat off topic, but I hope you’ll forgive me. A few days ago Manolo had some comments about Jessica Simpson. I just found this picture of her (a publicity shot from the apparently execrable “Dukes of Hazzard” movie), and was curious to know what Manolo thought of the shoes she’s wearing.
Redneck chic they ain’t. To me they seem jarringly inappropriate for someone wearing denim cutoffs and a tight T-shirt, but what I don’t know about fashion would fill many books, so I must consult the expert. (And hope that my links don’t get removed from this.)
August 6th, 2005 at 3:32 am
Fred the 4th:
The image produced by this little saga is delightful:
I wore it less than one season. You see, these things, they are not merely fugly, they are also lethal, at least if used as advertised. That is, for the actual skiing on the actual snow. One high-speed fall on the KT-22, a slope of some notable slope-ness, and I (nearly) discovered this in the flesh of my own person. There was much slipping and sliding and uncontrolled extreme accelerating falling (thanks to the slick jacket) leading to the severe contusions and abrasions.
What makes me laugh is not that Fred the 4th had such an unpleasant and doubtless frightening experience. No, it is the image of the model, shooting helplessly down the mountain on her gold-plated arse. Imagine: a garment both insultingly ugly, personally unflattering and physically dangerous. A trifecta!
Perhaps the outfit would be suitable for the luge?
August 6th, 2005 at 10:33 am
jrochest wrote:
Imagine: a garment both insultingly ugly, personally unflattering and pysically dangerous. A trifecta!
Damn you, jrochest! My computer is now sprayed with Diet Coke! (Well played with the luge comment, btw.)
August 6th, 2005 at 12:14 pm
Mr. Den Beste! I’m stunned to find you here. Your interests are even more catholic than I had believed. (Of course, if I had been told by a usenetter that someday I’d be contributing to a “web log” revolving around shoe fashion, I’d have had them locked up. Or maybe just assumed they were a normal usenetter…) The Fred he is shocked out of his ShoeBlogPersona and temporarily back into the real life.
May I discretely enquire as to your health?
Fred “no such thing as an ex-fan” the Fourth
August 6th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
The couture, it is like stretch-marks, no?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:38 pm
Mad props to the Manolo for attracting Mr. den Beste!
Greetings and salutations to La Bella Donna. The beauty, taste, and accomplishment on display at the Masquerade and even, occasionally, by entrants in Hall Costuming are indeed amazing and admirable. It is the unintentional costuming that amuses rather than awes.
There are two categories that most appall me: the inappropriate choices of corsetry and the equally if differently inappropriate choices of kilts. (Leave aside the daily shower rule, observed more in the breach as they say.) (It’s not so much the vast tracts of skin I mind, as the unflattering way some choose to display it. Pick a color that flatters your skin tone, hair, and eyes, please.)
August 8th, 2005 at 5:01 pm
Am I too late? The Vera Wang is the only designer I would choose for winter sports.