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	<title>Comments on: More on the Steve Madden PhotoShopping</title>
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		<title>By: TheMan370</title>
		<link>http://shoeblogs.com/2007/11/26/more-on-the-steve-madden-photoshopping/#comment-572309</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMan370</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, I just don't know what to think anymore.</description>
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		<title>By: Unique Copy &#124; THE COVETED</title>
		<link>http://shoeblogs.com/2007/11/26/more-on-the-steve-madden-photoshopping/#comment-571670</link>
		<dc:creator>Unique Copy &#124; THE COVETED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in fashion. Even large luxury corporations suffer from counterfeits. Steve Madden steals from Christian Louboutin, Forever21 steals from Diane von Furstenburg, we all see it and recognize what&#8217;s going on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in fashion. Even large luxury corporations suffer from counterfeits. Steve Madden steals from Christian Louboutin, Forever21 steals from Diane von Furstenburg, we all see it and recognize what&#8217;s going on [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryno</title>
		<link>http://shoeblogs.com/2007/11/26/more-on-the-steve-madden-photoshopping/#comment-564479</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relative cost and value of originals and knockoffs might take a different cast if we look beyond fashion and at performance. For example, I depend on technical fabrics and good construction in winter clothing, boots etc, because I ski back-country, and camp in the snow for days at a time. 

I can spend big bucks on high quality items, or save a lot of bucks by buying knockoffs. Having experienced severe discomfort a number of times in my life due to clothing/gear failure, and since my life depends on things not failing (as well as on making good decisions), I choose to plump out the bucks for the top-quality stuff. In fact, that is just another good decision.

OK, maybe fashion choices do not have mortal implications, but the formula remains the same: you get what you pay for. Trying to pass a lesser product - or a knockoff - as the equivalent of the higher-priced "real thing" is dishonest at all times, even when it is not life-threatening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relative cost and value of originals and knockoffs might take a different cast if we look beyond fashion and at performance. For example, I depend on technical fabrics and good construction in winter clothing, boots etc, because I ski back-country, and camp in the snow for days at a time. </p>
<p>I can spend big bucks on high quality items, or save a lot of bucks by buying knockoffs. Having experienced severe discomfort a number of times in my life due to clothing/gear failure, and since my life depends on things not failing (as well as on making good decisions), I choose to plump out the bucks for the top-quality stuff. In fact, that is just another good decision.</p>
<p>OK, maybe fashion choices do not have mortal implications, but the formula remains the same: you get what you pay for. Trying to pass a lesser product - or a knockoff - as the equivalent of the higher-priced &#8220;real thing&#8221; is dishonest at all times, even when it is not life-threatening.</p>
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		<title>By: WendyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>WendyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Wannabe puts it very well. BTW, I have no idea what the costs of the Louboutin are and how high a margin there is on those shoes.  In my (jewelry) business, the biggest cost difference is labor, because gold is the same price everywhere. The labor of a person working in good conditions and making a good living in New York could be priced 10 to 100x the cost of a environmentally damaging factory in China. I absolutely believe that if you manufacture in some parts of Asia there will be abusive working conditions somewhere in your supply chain. It's impossible to supervise...even when you shut one bad factory down, another will open. It is the Wild West of manufacturing there. The government has no control and certainly no one else does. So, before  anyone buys cheap knockoffs, consider who probably made them. Personally, I'd rather pay good money for something made in decent conditions in Italy, France, Britain or the U.S....or get some one-of-a-kind vintage item than buy some $20 knockoff piece from H&#38;M that was most likely made under poor conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Wannabe puts it very well. BTW, I have no idea what the costs of the Louboutin are and how high a margin there is on those shoes.  In my (jewelry) business, the biggest cost difference is labor, because gold is the same price everywhere. The labor of a person working in good conditions and making a good living in New York could be priced 10 to 100x the cost of a environmentally damaging factory in China. I absolutely believe that if you manufacture in some parts of Asia there will be abusive working conditions somewhere in your supply chain. It&#8217;s impossible to supervise&#8230;even when you shut one bad factory down, another will open. It is the Wild West of manufacturing there. The government has no control and certainly no one else does. So, before  anyone buys cheap knockoffs, consider who probably made them. Personally, I&#8217;d rather pay good money for something made in decent conditions in Italy, France, Britain or the U.S&#8230;.or get some one-of-a-kind vintage item than buy some $20 knockoff piece from H&amp;M that was most likely made under poor conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissent at the Blog of the Manolo &#187; Manolo's Shoe Blog</title>
		<link>http://shoeblogs.com/2007/11/26/more-on-the-steve-madden-photoshopping/#comment-564456</link>
		<dc:creator>Dissent at the Blog of the Manolo &#187; Manolo's Shoe Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the example, is the Manolo&#8217;s internet friend Sarah commenting upon the Manolo&#8217;s outrage with the Steven Madden peoples. Sorry, I have to go against the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] for the example, is the Manolo&#8217;s internet friend Sarah commenting upon the Manolo&#8217;s outrage with the Steven Madden peoples. Sorry, I have to go against the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All excellent points, these. Kudos for being the best place I've yet found on the internet to have a disagreement. Wannabe, I especially find your argument convincing.

I took a look at that dress designer, though, and compared it to Oscar pictures, and it really does look like all he's done in some cases is 'produce an outright copy using inferior materials.' It reminded me of some of the faux iPods that you can buy, which almost exactly resemble the original except for maybe a slightly different screen ratio and, one presumes, a shorter life expectancy. 

And as for the points, quite similar, made by dangster and ninjarina, I agree with you. More expensive shoes ARE better made, and feel better to wear. I just wonder how much of an appreciable difference you can credit when discussing a fundamentally uncomfortable shoe. 

You've modified my opinion a bit with your detractions. I am still not offended by the process of knocking off (I think one of the bloggers called it 'design stalking, which made me laugh) because I'm irrepressibly egalitarian, as ninjarina said. Power and style to the people, in my book. But he shouldn't have used that photograph. 

If for no other reason than it's not a particularly flattering one, and it makes the gold piping look yellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All excellent points, these. Kudos for being the best place I&#8217;ve yet found on the internet to have a disagreement. Wannabe, I especially find your argument convincing.</p>
<p>I took a look at that dress designer, though, and compared it to Oscar pictures, and it really does look like all he&#8217;s done in some cases is &#8216;produce an outright copy using inferior materials.&#8217; It reminded me of some of the faux iPods that you can buy, which almost exactly resemble the original except for maybe a slightly different screen ratio and, one presumes, a shorter life expectancy. </p>
<p>And as for the points, quite similar, made by dangster and ninjarina, I agree with you. More expensive shoes ARE better made, and feel better to wear. I just wonder how much of an appreciable difference you can credit when discussing a fundamentally uncomfortable shoe. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve modified my opinion a bit with your detractions. I am still not offended by the process of knocking off (I think one of the bloggers called it &#8216;design stalking, which made me laugh) because I&#8217;m irrepressibly egalitarian, as ninjarina said. Power and style to the people, in my book. But he shouldn&#8217;t have used that photograph. </p>
<p>If for no other reason than it&#8217;s not a particularly flattering one, and it makes the gold piping look yellow.</p>
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		<title>By: wannabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dearest Sarah:

The issue isn't whether you could or should pay $700 for shoes.  Certainly the Louboutins are of higher quality, though indeed, both they and the SM knockoffs are footcoverings and therefore of similar use.   The entire fashion world knows that knockoffs happen -- but there is a way to do that legitimately. ABS Allen Schwartz is the absolute king of this kind of industry. He looks at Oscar gowns and then reproduces the look in an "inspired by" kind of way at a much lower price point so that people who cannot afford the Versace gown can buy it. No one has a problem with that, really, since the customer buying the ABS dress could never have afforded the Versace in the first place.

It is fundamentally different, however, to be "inspired by" someone else's design and to produce an outright copy using inferior materials. Then to have the temerity to underline your perfidy by not even bothering to produce your own photograph, but rather stealing a photo of the original and photoshopping it, is flat-out wrong and deeply offensive.  No one is offended that Madden produces cheap shoes -- you get what you pay for. What we are offended by is his effort to pass them off as something else -- a groundbreaking design that looks as good as the originals. (I'm betting the plastic copies just don't look as good.)  It's consumer fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dearest Sarah:</p>
<p>The issue isn&#8217;t whether you could or should pay $700 for shoes.  Certainly the Louboutins are of higher quality, though indeed, both they and the SM knockoffs are footcoverings and therefore of similar use.   The entire fashion world knows that knockoffs happen &#8212; but there is a way to do that legitimately. ABS Allen Schwartz is the absolute king of this kind of industry. He looks at Oscar gowns and then reproduces the look in an &#8220;inspired by&#8221; kind of way at a much lower price point so that people who cannot afford the Versace gown can buy it. No one has a problem with that, really, since the customer buying the ABS dress could never have afforded the Versace in the first place.</p>
<p>It is fundamentally different, however, to be &#8220;inspired by&#8221; someone else&#8217;s design and to produce an outright copy using inferior materials. Then to have the temerity to underline your perfidy by not even bothering to produce your own photograph, but rather stealing a photo of the original and photoshopping it, is flat-out wrong and deeply offensive.  No one is offended that Madden produces cheap shoes &#8212; you get what you pay for. What we are offended by is his effort to pass them off as something else &#8212; a groundbreaking design that looks as good as the originals. (I&#8217;m betting the plastic copies just don&#8217;t look as good.)  It&#8217;s consumer fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Ninjarina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninjarina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd have to agree with dangster.  People that make mass produced products are paid by the piece - my mother was paid about 10 cents for each collar she sewed onto a shirt circa early 90s in a sweatshop near our apartment in Brooklyn.  This prompts the workers to make as much as they can as fast as they can and I can assure you, quality goes out the window.  These are unskilled workers on an assembly line.  You cannot compare that kind of work to that of a skilled craftsperson.  On top of everything, the instant you put on the shoe, you will realise how much difference high quality materials and perfectly BALANCED shoes make.  Most mass produced shoes suck to walk in b/c they are poorly fit and poorly balanced.  Higher end shoes are balanced similar to ballroom shoes, with more weight shifted to the heel, taking some of the weight in your forefoot and making them more easy to walk in.  

The problem with your logic Sarah is that you feel that fashion is egalitarian when it is clearly not.  Style, elegance, and grace are up for grabs but if you feel like you need to wear whatever is in fashion that year, be ready to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with dangster.  People that make mass produced products are paid by the piece - my mother was paid about 10 cents for each collar she sewed onto a shirt circa early 90s in a sweatshop near our apartment in Brooklyn.  This prompts the workers to make as much as they can as fast as they can and I can assure you, quality goes out the window.  These are unskilled workers on an assembly line.  You cannot compare that kind of work to that of a skilled craftsperson.  On top of everything, the instant you put on the shoe, you will realise how much difference high quality materials and perfectly BALANCED shoes make.  Most mass produced shoes suck to walk in b/c they are poorly fit and poorly balanced.  Higher end shoes are balanced similar to ballroom shoes, with more weight shifted to the heel, taking some of the weight in your forefoot and making them more easy to walk in.  </p>
<p>The problem with your logic Sarah is that you feel that fashion is egalitarian when it is clearly not.  Style, elegance, and grace are up for grabs but if you feel like you need to wear whatever is in fashion that year, be ready to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What everyone is really missing here is this: those shoes are ugly, I don't care who made them. They are just plain ugly. Feh on that shoe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What everyone is really missing here is this: those shoes are ugly, I don&#8217;t care who made them. They are just plain ugly. Feh on that shoe.</p>
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		<title>By: dangster</title>
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		<dc:creator>dangster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, I'm gonna have to disagree with you.  Louboutin's name is not worth $700 by itself, yes, but much of that amount goes into the design and manufacturing of the shoes.  Have you actually ever bought and worn a pair of high-end designer shoes (made in Italy), and then compared them to a knock-off, mass-produced version (made in China)?  The designer versions are indeed higher quality.

And as for the Suave commercials, their hair products really aren't very good :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I&#8217;m gonna have to disagree with you.  Louboutin&#8217;s name is not worth $700 by itself, yes, but much of that amount goes into the design and manufacturing of the shoes.  Have you actually ever bought and worn a pair of high-end designer shoes (made in Italy), and then compared them to a knock-off, mass-produced version (made in China)?  The designer versions are indeed higher quality.</p>
<p>And as for the Suave commercials, their hair products really aren&#8217;t very good :/</p>
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